I explained how it works here a long time ago. Say goodbye to that. Cookies help us deliver our Services. It would be interesting for CCP to reply with the logic on why this style of gameplay should be changed? No more abuse. There are other ways to deal with margin trading scams - for example orders are automatically taken down if you no longer have the ISK to cover them. Lol the market system is going to be like Albion online now! New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Press J to jump to the feed. like i said in multiple comments they cant have consulted any economist about that whose degree is worth more than the paper its printed on. In total I definitely have around 1000 market orders. We will have to invest 2x-3x the isk for less profit and it will lead to most traders quitting this activity which is definitely bad for the market. Where this will really sting is buying materials in off-regions for local production. https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/message/3910027/#post3910027. It would not simplify the game... but then again if I wanted to play a simple game and be completely mindless I would go play World of Warcrap (hint I quit this one a long time ago when they started designing it to be for babies). Margin trading is designed to allow you to have 10 billion ISK and issue 40 different buy orders for 1 billion, in the assumption that they won't all land together. I do not trade in Jita (whaaa? I imagine that most people would disagree but I feel sometimes like we need more trading skills and they should be more dramatic EG to the point that setting up a buy or sell order without trading skills would be more expensive than it currently is. Margin trading is designed to allow you to have 10 billion ISK and issue 40 different buy orders for 1 billion, in the assumption that they won't all land together. One is max skilled, three are lets call it 'level 4'. level 1 2. The majority of my gameplay for the last decade plus have been trading and hauling. Remove margin trading. 100% escrow on the minimum order quantity would remove the scamming without affecting much of anything else. Why make something that complex ? It is not about the margin trading scam, it is because you can easily manipulate the market with ZERO risk. Most of my industry activities are supplemental. The nerf to .01 isking i don't mind that much, but the relist fees and the margin trading change will reduce movement of prices and liquidity in the market by a lot. I'll adapt, probably by selling off fifty to a hundred billion in assets for more liquidity and reducing the quantities of my regionwide buy orders. How this has helped the regions is that sometimes these orders do fill (they arent all scams, typically purchasing at 75% of market and occasionally less for junk or bulky stuff). Also the market is so competitive that its not as overpowered as it sounds. Also, it may muddle the data that CCP is collecting for their mineral changes, since now you have multiple factors affecting price: one is the mineral scarcity, the other is that the market is turned around on its head (which affects all prices, including minerals). Not everyone is scamming, and also not everyone only trade out of necessity. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. That's an important provider of liquidity for market makers, in real markets and in today's Eve, and it's a mistake to remove it. The removal will greatly hurt the market (less investments) and the small trader. It's one of those silent skills no1 talks about for their real use, so everyone thinks it's only used in margin trading scams. Basically I would have to stop and scale down my trading a lot. It will make no difference to botters. The only plus I can see is that a rare scam will no longer happen, which is good but at what cost? I typically these days have about 10b wrapped up in trade with margin trading, without margin trading it would be a lot higher (50b?). Here's an overview of the changes that are being made. Another idea would be specific markets EG ship trading, materials trading, modules trading bonuses to reduce fees/taxes. Not really since as soon as u can't fulfill the order dies.. You don't need margin trading to manipulate prices when people are impatient enough to reflexibly outbid orders that are 1/100th the quantity. https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/message/3910027/#post3910027. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. If you're station trading with just buy and sell orders and you're limited by ISK and incomming buy orders, this skill has the potential to quadruple your profits by giving you access to way more active buy orders. An order's price can only be specified with a maximum precision of 4 significant figures. How margin trading helps my gameplay is that it enables me to set up and maintain buy orders in remote (not so busy) markets that typically take longer than 90 days to fill across all 4 accounts without needing an excessive amount of capital for orders that would otherwise expire if I did not renew them. But for anyone starting with low-ish capital it's honestly more important then even accounting or broker relations. That's not saying removing the skill is good or bad, just that it has a major impact on some traders. Most of my main market trading happens in Amarr (mostly buy orders) and the rest of my trade activities are seeding markets in the region I hang out in and surrounding areas (low and high sec but a good 15-20 jumps out from Amarr on average). A more detailed breakdown and justification follows afterwards. It shows CCP doesn't have a real economist employed any more.